I did the all grain kit with an additional 2lb of pale malt for an ABV boost. Used Nottingham, which attenuated well, brought the FG down to 1.011 for a final ABV of about 8%. Amber Balanced water profile per Bru'n Water. Started tasting this beer at 3 weeks of lagering and WOW! Very high drinkability, barely notice the alcohol at all, goes down real easy. Malty and smooth. Probably the best of the MB recipes I have tried thus far. I will definitely brew again, but probably go with one of the liquid yeasts. This one is a "must do," highly recommended.

Making it for my third time because it was requested by family who had it at Christmas. A real crowd pleaser. Not too light to insult dark beer drinkers, not to dark to insult light beer drinkers, malty with slight sweetness and a crisp mineral bitterness. German enough to please german beer people, and close enough to an amber to keep those people happy too. Highly complimented by my brother in law who has been to Germany three times and lived in the UK for several years.

I rarely lager but I've done both with this beer. Both came out quite good. But I'll stick to ale.

Brewed this baby for the first lager I ever made. To this day, I still have people (German friends, even!) tell me it was the best altbier they'd ever had.