Ive done a few lagers (tried) in the past and it really is a difficult style to get right if you aren't able to keep your temps on the mark. I don't have a spare fridge or a Kegerator yet to do them right. Someone locally recommended that I try using a Kolsch yeast instead of a lager yeast since you don't have to keep the fermentation quite so cold. I did just that with this kit. Fermented with WLP 029 Kolsch x 2 packs since I didn't make a starter, and I was able to keep ferm temps around the 58-64 range in my cool brew ferm jacket. Slow ish start, but by 72 hours it was doing its thing. Fermentation took around 3 1/2 weeks. Bottled it up and put them back into the cool brew jacket with ice blocks for 2 more weeks and then put in the fridge to "lager".since Im impatient I decided to try one before it had a full chance to "lager". It tastes so good I don't even care. Super crisp, maarzen like flavors, medium amber color, and it is crystal clear since the kolsch has a terrific flocc out. I happened to have some fresh Tettnanger hops that were ready for harvest that I tossed into the boil towards the end when I made this and I am really happy with how it turned out. Part of me wishes Id purchased the Oktoberfest lager and done that with Kolsch to get that pilsner malt flavor but that will be my next project.